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Do a word study on the Greek word - euangelion gospel. What does it mean and why is it used in the Bible? Luke ,35;,9: Matthew ,5; Mark ;,62; Luke ] b Or accurately. To find the passage you wish to study turn to the index. Gospel references are at the right side of the page. Read the title or subject of the incident, e. Read the marginal titles on left of page. Note that the ideas are grouped into paragraphs.

See the relation and sequence of the paragraphs. Visualize each scene and see it merge into the next, like a moving picture. Try it. Consider what the main message of the whole story is, and the truth it teaches. Think out its application to life today, in yourself, in others, and in society. Study these pages man times, until you have mastered them and they have become your habits of thought and conduct. Used by permission of Zondervan Publishing House.

The Title is "The Word". The true light 9 The true light There are three Main Divisions. Next, was coming.

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Then repeat them aloud with eyes shut. Then write them. Proceed with the He had been 10 He was in the world, second and third main points in the in the world since its creation and though the world was made through him, same way. Do this again just before retiring. Repeat next through Him. His own people had 11 He came to that which was his own, not received Him. Some had believed and so had but his own did not receive him.

They became 12 Yet to all who received him, Children of God, by being born of to those who believed in his name, God John That which has been made was life in Him. He is greater 17 For the law was given through Moses; than Moses. We lack data 1, years to make a complete comparison because neither gives the facts.

Luke calls Joseph the son of Heli. By marrying Mary, the daughter of Heli, he became his son or as we would say son-in-law. These genealogies connect the OId Testament and the New Testament and indicate the fulfillment of the prophecy. We want to see how the Gospels introduce their stories about Jesus. Understanding the background will help us to better apply what we learn about Jesus. In the first lesson, we looked very briefly at the period be- tween the Old and New Testaments.

Mark was writing to the Romans under the instruction of the Apostle Peter. Jesus is the Son of the only GOD! He used this style of introduction in Luke and in Acts Jesus is the Savior. Some of these stories had become distorted, so he set out to find out the truth and convey it to his audience. Theophilus means Lover of God. Are you one who loves God? They want to know about the Man. Luke tells them about His life on this earth. He always was, always is and always will be! He was an active part in the creation of the earth.

The Light shines in the dark, and it cannot overcome the light. Jesus is present tense, not past tense. He also gives eternal life, spiritual life. Is Jesus' light shining out in your life? People would make ready to receive Him, and show Him respect. How many times have you seen testimony about Jesus before you accepted Him?

Come to Jesus! History shows that the oppression of the Church has failed. It is something that gives eternal life and something that you have a choice in whether you want to do it or not. Jesus is the essence of Grace and of Truth. Jesus is so great, compared to John, because Jesus existed before John. Only Jesus saves! The legal lineage of Jesus is important to the Jews.

Matthew does mention Tamar, Rahab, Ruth, and Bathsheba. Ruth was also a foreigner. God Your Notes Here! There is no known reason for this. There is strong evidence that some of the ancestors are deliberately omitted from the list. You will notice that Ishmael and Esau are excluded while all of the sons of Jacob are included. It is the physical lineage of Jesus.

He traced it from Mary to Adam to God. God became flesh and dwelt among men! Others have come and claimed to be the Messiah, but have been rejected for one reason or another. There will be times of excitement and times of information. How did Mark relate his Gospel to the Romans who were so impressed with power? How does that help you relate the Gospel to people you know? In John we learn the world did not recognize Jesus.

Would you have recognized Him? What have you learned from this study that has or will change your life? How many times is the word used? Discuss the differences between the genealogies of Matthew and Luke. Who are some others who had written about Jesus that were not included in the Bible we have today? Do a word study on the Greek word - huios son used in Luke The Infancy of Jesus B. The Childhood of Jesus 4 B. The Developing Youth Luke 1. The Young Manhood of Jesus 36 A.

Now take the details under Point 1. There are 9 of them. See how the first three are related; then the next two; Circumcision was eight days after birth and consecration was at 40 days. Review night and morning. I Chronicles Their priestly descent. Their names. Their one great sorrow. Exodus ; Revelation The people are praying 10 And when the time for the burning of incense came, outside the Temple. Zechariah is overawed. A son is promised. Your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John.

Luke, 63 He will bring joy to many 14 He will be a joy and delight to you, and many will rejoice because of his birth, He will be Spirit-filled, 15 for he will be great in the sight of the Lord. He is never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even from birth. I am an old man and my wife is well along in years. God has sent me to tell you this message, I stand in the presence of God, verse 26 and I have been sent to speak to you and to tell you this good news. Zechariah comes out, and dismisses 22 When he came out, he could not speak to them.

They realized he had seen a vision in the temple, for he kept making signs to them but remained unable to speak. The Conclusion When his time of service was completed, 23 Zechariah returns home. It will greatly help you if you refer to it often. Nothing is impossible with God. We should pray and never lose hope. God determines who is righteous. He murders anyone who poses a threat to his throne. In this paranoia, he even had his own sons killed. God made a covenant of priesthood with the descendants of Aaron. She is past menopause so she is past the age of child bearing.

This shows in their lives and is recognized by their peers. To be righ- Your Notes Here! See I Chronicles ff for an explana- tion. There are twenty-four divisions. Each division serves for one week, twice per year. This represents the prayers of the entire nation.

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At this moment, Zechariah is the focal point of the entire Jewish nation. Though he is righteous before God, he is still discomforted at this interruption to the laws of Nature. They already know the sex of the child and that he will grow up to do great things for God. Your communication with Him is very important to Him.

He always wants to hear you. It is only used once elsewhere in the New Testament. Later John will voluntarily take on the restric- tions of the Nazarite vow. It is not uncommon for a prophecy from God to be accompanied with a sign. Sometimes it was requested by the recipient, like Elisha or Gideon. He will travel about 10 miles 16 kilometers east to Jerusalem when it is his duty to serve in the Temple. They Your Notes Here! He is always the one who gets to deliver good news. What are they thinking? They are waiting for him to pronounce a blessing upon them to signify that their prayers have been heard.

Luke says that she hides herself. A third reason is to avoid becoming ceremonially unclean. It may well have taken time for her to adjust to being pregnant and feeling comfortable with it in public. What is He saying to you? Are you listening and believing, or questioning? Next week, we will look at the annunciation to Mary and her visit with Elizabeth. It sounds like some exciting things are about to happen to some people in Judea and Galilee. Plan on being here. The Old City is just over the horizon. How does it relate to right vs. How would you feel if you saw an angel? How does God speak to us today?

Have you ever felt that God was speaking directly to you? What is the relationship between righteousness, good deeds and the grace of God? Where else is Gabriel mentioned in the Bible? What else can you learn about him? What other Scriptures tell us how we can be righteous? Is John referred to anywhere else in the Old Testament?

How has the world been changed by the coming of Christ schools, governments, societies? Do a word study on the Greek word - epeidon favor used in Luke What can you find out about what it means and how it is used in the Bible? The virgin's name was Mary. The Lord is with you. So the holy one to be bornb will be called the Son of God.

From now on all generations will call me blessed, 49 for the Mighty One has done great things for me-- holy is his name. For God's 50 His mercy extends to those who fear him, Mercy from generation to generation. S ta y Her Return Home a or Believed, for there will be. Sex outside of marriage is wrong! Marriage is an institution ordained by God. God keeps His word! Now a young woman named Mary is about to receive a very special visit from an angel. This is quite a change from the four hundred years of silence. It sounds exciting! Mary, probably only 15 or 16 years old, is working around the house taking life for granted as most of us do.

A betrothal can last up to a year and it can only be broken by a divorce. How often does such a phenomenon occur?

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Whoever she is and whatever she has done, God is well pleased with her! The baby, Jesus, will be the Son of God. He will be great. He will be the Son of the Most High. Her child will be God in a human body. He will be given the throne of His father, David. Jesus will reign forever in the millennium kingdom of David. He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His reign will Your Notes Here! His kingdom is spiritual and unending. But none have been successful in overcoming it. The Church will never be destroyed.

She is stating that she is a virgin. She only asks how this is going to be accomplished. Let's see if we can read her mind. Have a baby? Anxiety runs through her veins. What is going through her mind? Basilica of the Annunciation where the angel appeared to Mary to announce that she is to be the mother of the Messiah. Since Jews didn't travel through Samaria, She would cross over to the other side of the Jordan River and then cross over again near Jericho. Travel distance would be around 80 miles kilome- ters across some very dangerous terrain including the imfamous Jericho Road.

Mary, a teenager, appears to have traveled alone, pregnant with the Son of God! She risks her marriage Your Notes Here! He knows that the Spirit of God is mightily involved in this event. This is an indica- tion that he is filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born. We too are blessed when we act in faithful obedience to God.

If she had any doubts, this is a real encouragement to her. If she thought highly of God before, she does even more so now. How do you feel about God? Like being redundant with each phrase of the poem. Salvation and grace are on those who fear God, not Mary. She is indeed blessed, but she is not to be the object of worship.

She is only the person whom God is using to generate a body for His Son to inhabit while on earth. Yet God has chosen her for His divine birth. Can you imagine the emotions they are experiencing? He can build up someone who is humble and lowly just as quickly. Financial or social status means nothing in our relationship to God. Genesis He will bring salvation to all nations, not just the Jews. Abraham lived to see only the first promise. What does this all mean? What does it mean to find favor with God? God my Savior? Apply that to Elizabeth and to Mary.

Apply it to yourself. What did the Mosaical Law say about persons pregnant outside of marriage? What is the significance of the Holy Spirit as the father of Jesus instead of Joseph? What are the occasions when the Holy Spirit has visited one or more individuals? Do a word study on the Greek word - parthenos virgin used in Luke What does it mean and how is it used in the Bible?

The Annunciation to Joseph Matthew The betrothal and the 18 This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: discovery His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. Luke Joseph's perplexity Because Joseph her husband was a righteous 19 man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. And he gave him the name Jesus.

The Friends Rejoice Her neighbors and relatives heard that the Lord 58 had shown her great mercy, and they shared her joy. He is to be called John. The People Are 65 The neighbors were all filled with awe, and Awed Zechariah's throughout the hill country of Judea people were talking about all these things.

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This Child Will 76 And you, my child, will be called a prophet of Prepare The Way For the Most High; Matthew for you will go on before The Messiah And His Great Salvation the Lord to prepare the way for him, 77 to give his people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins, 78 because of the tender mercy of our God, by which the rising sun will come to us from heaven 79 to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death, Matthew to guide our feet into the path of peace.

God is still inter-active in His relationship with man. God can do what we find impossible. Obedience to God is more important than giving in to man's pressures. Angels are real. He is God, yet He is also a man. How did she become pregnant? Matthew wrote to the Jews. Who told him? What has he been told? Betrothal is equal to marriage. Breaking a betrothal takes a writing of a divorce. Sometimes God has to wait until we are quiet before He can talk to us.

Jesus is going to be the Savior that Israel has been looking for, the Messiah! What will our child grow up to become? This is from Isaiah God makes a very important statement here about marriage. That is not the best or adequate way to raise a healthy child. That is more than the other three Gospels combined.

Joseph is willing to accept a child that is not his as his own. Jesus is not an only child in His earthly family. He is the oldest child in the home. Mary stays until time for Elizabeth to deliver. We do not know whether she stays there for the birth. Elizabeth gives birth as God said she would, in the fullness of His time. What a miracle!!! This is something phenomenal. This Jewish custom was climatic to introducing a male child into the Jewish community.

See Genesis Therefore, the people want to name John after his father, but Elizabeth insists on obeying God. God has given a specific instruction. Zechariah and Elizabeth are God fearing and loving people. They petition Zechariah to see what he wanted. The angel's promise is fulfilled. How do you react when God disciplines you? This story will make the local news, even in Jerusalem. Zechariah, filled with the Spirit, prophecies concerning Christ, in Luke , and John the Baptist in Luke It is filled with Old Testament references and allusions. This is God speaking through the mouthpiece of Zechariah.

The words prophecy of the Messiah. It means victory to Israel. Our real enemy is the devil. Jesus is the fulfillment of that promise. Through Jesus, all nations of the earth now have the opportunity to be saved from sin. The only real enemy that we have to fight against is Satan and the demons that try to tempt us to sin. This reference is not to a political salvation, but spiritual salvation. Sin is the darkness, and the shadow of death is the wages of sin. We are also rescued from the darkness of sin. The child grows spiritually as God said he would.

He lives in the desert, away from public attention. Just bring the gift of your heart of love to the Lord. Guys, how would you feel if you found out that your fiance was pregnant by the Holy Spirit? Parents, what thoughts did you have about your baby before it was born? Often we have situations when we are not clear what obedience to God would entail. What is the main difference between the angel appearing to Joseph and how he appeared to Mary? To Zechariah? Do a study of Angelic appearances in the Bible. Note the similarities and differences.

List some others who the Bible foretold would be great before the Lord. Show the Scripture reference with the name of the individual. Do a word study on the Greek word - gennao beget used in Matthew The People Everywhere Respond 3 And everyone went to his own town to register. The Angel Speaks; I bring you good news of great joy that will be for all the people.

The Messiah Is Born. Many ancient authorities read the dayspring has visited. Some of the census blanks used in Egypt have been found, all filled in, including women and children; and they were taken according to tribal descent, as here. A second enrollment is mentioned in Acts Half filled with chaff or cut straw and lined with some baby things, it made a fine bassinette. It stood on the ground at the head of a stall. They Tell What the Angels 17 When they had seen him, they spread the word had told them concerning what had been told them about this child, Everyone Marvels 18 and all who heard it were amazed at what the shepherds said to them.

Mary Mediates 19 But Mary treasured up all these things and Reverently pondered them in her heart. As The Shepherds Return The shepherds returned, glorifying and 20 They Are Praising God praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told. He uses and blesses people that we would often overlook. God sees great value in the meek and humble. The wedding ceremony has taken place.

It gets taken about every fourteen years. He rules over the land like a cruel and implacable tyrant, who is extremely jealous of power. It is not likely that he is going to live much longer. He has ruled over the Jews under Caesar Augustus. He has promoted peace and prosper- Your Notes Here! It is now at its peak and this event is taking place. Judea has now become a full province of Rome. This is the first taxation of the Jews as a Roman province. It appears that he is trying to buy some favor with the Jews.

Some of the Jews are angry with Roman rule. It would be great to live under a Jewish king, especially one who is sent from God. Quirinius is governor of Syria around BC. Bethlehem is also the city in which David was born. Both of them are of the Your Notes Here! Mary came with Joseph because they know that she is due. He is the firstborn, but there will be more siblings to follow. They usually wrap babies up real tight to straighten out their bodies so they will grow straight.

They use a feeding trough for a crib. Did Joseph help deliver Jesus? What did you feel about that moment? Shepherds were also the descendants of David vocationally. Often times, we will see that what man dishon- ors or looks down on is the very thing that God honors. They are not capable of accepting and appreciating what God is doing. Shepherds will also be one of the first and best sources for spreading of news. The history of the Old Testament has been Kings, prophets, captivity, and then silence.

And to think that shepherds were the first to be told about this world-changing event. Gentiles non-Jews were not included in the Old Covenant. This is announced to shepherds first. Three titles are used for Jesus in this one verse. Jesus is being Your Notes Here! They will know where all of the stables are around Bethlehem. It is available to everyone who is willing to receive it.

On whom His favor rests. For that reason we have the opportunity to enter into this eternal fellowship with Him. Consider their emotions for a moment. Then they are interested, then they get excited. This is the second supernatural event to happen within the past few months. Have you ever seen things in them that caused you to ponder their future? Now what do you think is going through her mind?

Shep- Your Notes Here! They visited the baby and find that it is true and then go and excitedly tell others. What were the advantages and disadvantages of Jesus being born in a stable? Put yourself in the place of the shepherds? How do you think they felt about being chosen to hear of the Messiah. What would you do? How are you responding to the news of the Messiah now? Discuss the reputation of shepherds at the time when Jesus was born.

Compare and contrast this to what shepherds mean to you today. How did the New Testament census bring about the fulfilling of the Old Testament prophecies? Reference Micah Name another shepherd who became a King. Where in the Bible does it tell about his life and reign? Compare and contrast him as king to Jesus as King. Look up and write about the shepherds who became leaders in the Old Testament?

Do a word study on the Greek word - doxa glory used in Luke To remove and to offer a sacrifice in keeping with what is 24 ceremonial said in Law of the Lord: uncleanness from the mother. He had 26 It had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit a a revelation. He comes to the 27 Moved by the Spirit a he went into the temple courts. Temp le. When the parents brought in the child Jesus The parents bring Jesus in.

Great Salvation 30 For my eyes have seen your salvation, v. Simeon blesses them. And a sword will pierce your own soul too. She was very old; is a widow. She never left the temple but worshiped night and day, fasting and praying. She comes up just then, Coming up to them at that very moment, 38 She gives thanks. She prophecies about the child. It took place after the r esidence in Egypt. God does, on occasion, make specific revelations or promises to certain individuals. Prayer and righteousness go hand in hand in being close to God. Jesus is circumcised and named while in Bethlehem.

Jesus is taking on a heavy yoke to bear as He comes to earth, and He will bear it faithfully all the way to the Cross. Moving and travel Your Notes Here! Because He is made under the Law, He obeys it. Families that are poor are to sacrifice two turtledoves as their offering see Leviticus One is to be for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering.

God does not promise wealth to His followers, but He will take care of us. Either way, finances were short for taking leisurely trips to other places. We want to keep our priorities in order. This is forty days after birth for a boy. Simeon immediately knows who this child is. If we want to see Jesus, we must likewise go to where Jesus can be found. Luke is alone Your Notes Here! Simeon is ready to go be with God. It is presented in the sight of the whole world. This will help the Good News to travel fast. This is another declaration that Jesus.

Simeon notes that the Messiah is to be for the Gentiles as well as for Israel. No one had told Simeon anything about baby Jesus. God has done a great thing in entrusting His only Son to their care for raising. Jesus will be a sanctuary to some and a snare to others. How would you feel if someone said this about your baby? Jesus came for us all!

Do Anna and Simeon know each other? The nature Your Notes Here! Now she is eighty-four years old. She has spent her days fasting and praying and serving God. It seems almost like she lives at the Temple. Like Simeon, she gives thanks to God and tells those around her who this child is. Have you personally considered consecrating yourself to serve God? If time and money were not an issue, how would you like to express your devotion to God?

Share an experience in which you sincerely felt that God had spoken to you. Was He making a promise or giving reassurance? What information can you find about the post partum ceremony of purification? How were widows provided for in the time of Christ? List some prophets found in the New Testament. What do you know about them?

Do a word study on the Greek word - thusian sacrifice used in Luke In other words, make a moving The news is brought When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, 3 picture of your story. Note how the story is are worried. He send them 8 He sent them to Bethlehem and said, in search of the Child. As soon as you find Him, report to me, so that I too may go and worship Him. Babylon and Assyria. They worship Him.

Then they opened their treasures They present their royal gifts. At night, 12 And having been warned in a dream God warns them not to go back to Herod, of Herod's treachery. So they go home they returned to their country by another route. Stay there until I tell you, for Herod is going to search for the child to kill Him. Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted, because they are no more.

God will protect Jesus in His infancy. The same word is used in Acts , 8. These men are pagan i. This could involve a distance of around miles. This is not impossible, especially if they ride camels as is often suggested. Knowing what you know today, how far would you be Your Notes Here! So what is that to them? They want to worship a King that has no apparent or known direct bearing on them. Is this a sign from God that Jesus is for Gentiles also?

How many are coming and seeking Him today? Pray for those Christians who live in nations where they have to fear the government! He calls the chief priests, and scribes leaders to inquire about where this threat to his throne might be born. Notice how deceitful Herod is to the Magi? Satan is often subtle in his attacks on Christians! Bethlehem is five to six miles south of Jerusalem. Remember how God led Israel through the wilderness with the fire and the cloud about 1, years earlier?

They are greatly reassured when they see the star again and it guides them on to Bethlehem. Did they simply decide to move to Bethlehem and stay? They also gave Jesus gifts that were products from their own country. This honors Jesus as a King who collects gold as a symbol of His power and wealth.

Incense is offered as a fra- grance to God as a part of worship. God will also speak to non-Jews in order to accomplish His divine plan. This is the second of fouroccurrences that an angel appears to Joseph in a dream. We do not know how soon after the Magi left that Joseph receives this dream. The roads that they would have taken would have most likely been close to this route. We have no idea where they stayed in Egypt, whether it was Alexandria where there was a large concentration of displaced Jews or somewhere else where it would be impossible for Herod to find them.

It only means that Herod intends to be certain he gets this child that the Magi told him about. Nothing is said about where they stay while in Egypt. Discuss some current situations in which this has happened or is appearing to happen to you. What is the significance of the gifts given by the Magi to Jesus? Which gift would you have chosen to give to Jesus? Have you ever felt a sense of danger when in a certain situation or place? In the Old Testament, discover people who were not Jews, but were part of the ancestry of Jesus. How do other verses in the Bible use this word. You might need to use a Bible dictionary for assistance.

Look up and discuss the prophecies that were fulfilled concerning the visit of the Magi? Do a word study on the Greek word - proskuneo worship used in Matthew Then the first story and go to the land of Israel, in the N. Joseph obeys, 21 So he got up, Then visualize the first Returning To Palestine, took the Child and His mother scene, and the second, and and went to the land of Israel. Then Instructed by God, Having been warned in a dream, Luke. In This Way in a town called Nazareth. The Inquiring Boy Luke Luke. Everyone who heard Him was amazed 47 at His understanding and His answers.

Rebuke Him Your father and I have been anxiously searching for You. No wonder that Jesus was fascinated, for during the Passover festival, these great Rabbis taught all who were interested, from the temple steps. His Mother Ponders But his mother treasured all these things Events in her heart. Socially Mt. Hebron south of Bethlehem. Did Joseph and Mary pass by on their route to Egypt? Jesus grows up just like any other human being. Jesus exhibits extraordinary wisdom when He is only twelve years old.

Jesus is a role model in obedience to His parents. Something quite astounding happens when He is twelve years old. First, each move of the Christ child is undertaken by Joseph as the result of the appearance of an angel in a dream. The smell was so bad that no one could stand to be around him. A somewhat fitting end for such an evil man. This isn't the only way, but the one most likely. These parts are distributed to Your Notes Here! Archelaus rules over Judea, Samaria, Idumea. And the Jews hatred for him is even more violent.

His government Your Notes Here! That should be sufficient for us to obey. Matthew references several prophecies. Nazareth houses a Roman garrison for the northern regions of Galilee. The city is also known for its crude and violent ways. He has to be told to put a coat on when it is cold. Only Luke considers mentioning it.

Surely Jesus looks forward to these trips as do Joseph and Mary. Whole villages will caravan together to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. Using public transpor- Your Notes Here! Jesus will not have knowingly and willingly disobeyed His parents. Jericho is about thirteen miles northeast of Jerusalem.

Now they are centered around a twelve year old child who is questioning and teaching them. The text implies that Jesus is both student and teacher. Can you begin to imagine the trauma that a parent might go through if a child is missing? How would you feel if this were your child? Now Jesus is using it in reference to God. Is this the beginning of Your Notes Here! He grows in wisdom — mentally, - wiser and smarter!

And He grows in favor with God — spiritually, and man — socially! Then it will be time to look into the actual ministry and teachings of Jesus. Consider what God subjected Himself to in coming into the world as a man, limited by a human body. How would you feel if you lost a child for three days? What might parents do to help their children be more like Jesus, obedient and committed to God? What have you learned from this lesson that has or will change your life?

Could he transcend the categories of Being and Non-Being? Could he -it -she whatever, be the source of all consciousness? That makes more sense. May 17, Both need to improve, but I'll address the latter. The anti-religionists need to get the burr out of their britches and realize that humans had and still have genetic incentives to have religion. The only way you'll get rid of religion in humanity is by either wiping the believers out like that'll go well or by out-breeding them. I doubt that'll happen either. If it is so important to you, perhaps an alternative solution could be found.

It's pretty clear that bigoted statements has NOT significantly changed anything Bog Mire: The proof is in these pages, where seemingly well educated people clearly choose to ignore basic scientific principles of geology and paleantology This is so ironic! Those who believe in the evolutionist fairy tale ignore the basic scientific principle that organic matter decays rapidly no matter how well-preserved. Protein and DNA doesn't last more than k years at the most. YET - they want us to believe that actual identified and verified collagen, protein and blood remains in dinosaurs fossils, lizard, salamander and other fossils have been preserved for million years!!!!

They also ignore the basic principles of science used by archeologists to date items using carbon 14 radiometric dating. Because they completely ignore the very significant amounts of C14 present in ALL the fossils, claiming it wouldn't last for millions of years. Those can't ALL be contaminated, now can they? Just who is ignoring basic science in favour of their own fairy tale? I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail.

Computers don't think. Is Hawking suggesting he doesn't think? Computers don't have consciousness. Is Hawking suggesting he's unaware? Computers don't make value judgements. Is Hawking suggesting he has no values? Computers can't conceptualize. Is Hawking suggesting he's a man without concepts? Computers have no depth. Is Hawking suggesting he has no feelings? Sorry to burst your bubble Dr. Hawking, but humanity is more than the sum of its mass Computers have no humility.

Is Hawking suggesting Is it possible theres a correlation between our ability to use our brain and our understanding of the cosmos? What's truly amazing is that science and spirituality were never mutually exclusive, the elaborate supression systems of man simply made us believe so. Science will come to prove what spirituality has discussed for thousands of years.

It's all really just math and physics of our future. So, everyone just relax and do some meditation or something It seems unlikely for a heaven to exist but no one can convince me there is no transfer or afterlife of any kind. Steven Hawking or not So no one really knows but everyone will find out. Hey, do any of you guys think he might just be saying these things in public because hes tired of being admired and labeled as the smartest guy in the world? Hm thought not. I'm still looking for the question myself.

In Kev's and MM's world there is no such thing as k years ago. Again; weird. It is what Jesus would do. This is so ironic! Lies lies lies. How would Kevin know these things either way? He ignores what researchers tell him. His knowledge is faith-based and therefore inapplicable. He lies to sell his product, drugs and fairy stories. How's business Kev? Kevins god says it's ok to lie when selling Kevins god of Truth.

It's also ok to steal, rape, murder, and ruin when spreading the Good Word because it says so, in their books. Let's face it. Hawking is reaching out He wants someone to show him how people can be turned on a dime from disbelief to full belief through the power of God's grace. Well Mr. Hawking, here's what you do. Own up to, and repent of, all wrong you have done. Ask God to change your life and to set you free. Accept His grace.

Then your eyes will be opened to see things you've never imagined. Your former place in history will dim compared to your new position. Your joy will be complete. And the fairy tale that says there is no devil, and they all lived happily ever after, will be replaced with reality and Truth. Rather than debate the validity of a God or religion, how about shifting down a level and consider mental focus. Science is systematic knowledge. Knowledge is verifiable by the senses.

Reason is focus on knowledge, on ideas that connect to reality. A belief is a focus on a idea unconnected to reality. Therefore belief is not a valid means of perceiving reality. Having faith in a belief compounds the error. Rationally the most one can say is, the question of god is speculation. If any have evidence that connects to reality of any such being, let them produce.

More likely, god did not create man man created god in imagination. I understand you are going to start making all those who choose to believe in the reality you've created, rather than the nonsense you wrote in your book, suffer unspeakable torment and boils this weekend. Would a mc help me avoid the worst of the tribulation at least for 5 months until you put most of us in hell for eternity? Will crazed cops begin to shoot motorists without the proper paperwork, after this weekend?

Signed Consternated you know who I am -I am just wondering if I can even ride a mc with boils on my ass-. There's some ridiculous hate going on in this thread from both sides. I HATE what religions have done to the world. I HATE what they threaten to do to science, education, peace, reason, and each other. I HATE having to watch exploding religionist populations in the middle east pushing through their borders and ending up in mass graves.

Everyone who hates these things should speak out, NOW, and demand an end to religion. Expose it for what it is. Do not stop until they are back in their basements where they belong. Before they bring Armageddon upon the world all by themselves with no help from any god. The only way to save the world is to end religion. Ironic, isn't it? Gonna start lining people up against walls are ya? Ahhh, I just wondered, because when I read this psychotic drivel It's easy to picture you lining people up and blowing their brains out.

Based on your posting here I'm pretty sure that's what you want to do anyway despite your denials It's despicable that you abuse children and the vulnerable with such psychotic drivel as the bible. Also, what's worse: "lining people up and blowing their brains out" or damning them to an eternity of torture? Just wondering. I'm supposed to care what a bigoted judgmental small minded person like you thinks why Are you attempting to justify your homicidal fantasies by the old "two wrongs make a right" fallacy?

I win. You lost, and as you leave don't let the door hit you too hard. Yes, the answer to your question is Yes, heaven will come to earth when god finally leaves it. Nice to see it being published in the mainstream though. I would go even farther and say the entire bible is a concoction of various tribal legends and pseudohistory, edited and re-edited throughout the ages in response to use and discussion, for the purpose of Shepherding people for the preservation of the State and not the salvation of souls.

You only have to promise the latter to ensure the former, which the book makes clear if studied from this Perspective. For this Purpose it has been spectacularly successful, the result of the evolution of state religion through trial and error. Nah you guys love to do that to each other, or love volunteering for martyrdom. We've just got to sit back and make sure it all stays contained. And then put the blame where it belongs, after it's all over- on those of you who survive.

Kind of like nuremburg. Sounds like a Plan. Sounds like it's been done before eh? Ever read a book Quasimodo? WOW, doing an extraordinarily shitty job of that then Kind of like nuremburg[sic]. So you DO know about Nuremberg? And you have the nerve to mention it in regards to atrocities connected to religion? You don't eat books Otto or burn them , you read them. Hmm, Your readings skills are lacking, I said 'true scientist'. So I'am discussing semantics here not textbook definitions.

First off who the hell are you? Is this your sockpuppet account that you hide behind occasionally or your "true" account? Secondly your semantics are truly your opinion so are about as meaningful to this discussion as any other Newton was 'investigating the nature of reality' and introduced the scientific process So a believer introduced the process you claim that you can't be a believer and follow?

Did I get that right? And what is 'my obvious agenda'? Maybe you could enlighten me. It's what all bigots do The bible isn't evidence you sped. All your thoughts and ideas are part of the physical world, so by your saying, God cannot be known. Thanks for threatening me with hell, again.

I wasn't kidding the first time when I told you to fuck off. Chances are you are wrong about most things. Yeah you godders are in good company. Yeah nazis learned a lot from the Inquisition and the Crusades. Provide some proof. No you. Your babelbook doesnt count. The Bible affirms that the whole earth was flooded in different verses. A localized flood is simply not implied by the plain reading of the Bible text. Their hero was NOT noah. Jehovah didnt even exist back then. The Bible presents the most reliable text from ancient history. To reject it is to reject every document written before AD.

You only think this because you are willfully blind. Extremely so. Youre willing to believe the Liars who told you this rather than consider any of the TONS of accepted and corroborated evidence out there. WHAT is the matter with you?? Most biblical scholars, whom god loves LOTS more than you, will nevertheless tell you that the bible is full of historical fabrication. And you still deny it. No matter how many in a generation are saved, a new one will follow them who are corrupted by religion and therefore ignorant of the Truth. Thats all they got Frank. Believe or suffer. The prospect of you suffering eases their troubled souls.

Sometimes they will make good on this threat as god does not act quickly enough for them. Religionists are a vindictive, malicious lot. Especially when you threaten their drug supply with the truth. Addicts are all like that. Psalms are full of pretty verses saying 'boy are you gonna get yours'. The prophets loved that sentiment. If you are wrong, you will one day die and stand in front of the throne of God and be judged into the eternal flames of hell for being willingly ignorant.

Last time I heard God has that sort of thing covered You been talking to him lately? Discussing what you cannot know is a waste of time especially if a clear multidisciplinary explanation for the phenomenon exist. So discussing mathematics is a waste of time? You know that, but Instead, he suggest that computers will be thinking one day. Not in this article. Hawking doesn't suggest he doesn't have consciousness.

Instead, he suggest that computers will be self-conscious one day. Again, not in this article. And so on Who are you to speak for Hawking? Anyway, human brains and computers are NOT analagous. Am I to understand then that you are not a Christian? Just sayin'. May 18, For a bunch of atheists who claim higher ideals, you sure are quick to downrank someone for simply stating brains aren't like computers.

Ironically, if brains were like computers, it would never occur to you to downrank - thus you've proved my point! Im serious. Haven't you guys ever got the impression that he doesn't like being placed on high and referred to as the smartest man on the planet? Do you think he might be pushing the public away a little by voicing his opinions in an abrasive way?

Tell me about it! You see Otto a person doesn't require religion to be moral, neither does religion guarantee morality in a person. So too does it follow that because someone is religious that they are not automatically evil, nor that because someone is an atheist that they are not automatically evil either.

Your problem is that you're a bigot and so you're blind to these obvious human truths. Ok so we agree that religions have nothing to do with morality despite what they say. So what are they good for besides convincing adherents that people who believe in other variations are to be shunned and discredited?

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Nothing you'd understand even if I spent ten years explaining it to you. It's something you have to come to on your own, and I have little doubt you'll go to your grave missing out on half of your humanity. THAT is the hell you're facing Otto LOL, another Christian resorting to hell. Seriously guys, just give it up. Hell doesn't exist and none of your enemies are going there. Suck my chubby. You honestly are an idiot, no really your intelligence is at about the level of a pre-adolescent It's also painfully obvious that your emotional maturity is even lower than that.

Besides didn't you "declare victory" up thread? You doubting that now? I'm supposedly the pre-adolescent emotional retard, yet you are the one threatening people with eternal damnation for disagreeing with you. Think about that. Like I said Sound out the big words if you need to frankie. If you do good maybe your mom will give you a lollipop Too be fair, I just skim through the christians' posts because I can't stand to sift through that much bs. Sorry, try not being an idiot and I'll read your posts thoroughly.

Oh I think you need to read it again. You've basically declared that religion offers no moral advantage over atheism. We could throw innumerable examples at each other and come up even. Religion hides behind moral codes to excuse the many immoral things it requires adherents to do. All religions share this trait, which is obviously institutionalized bigotry is it not? Xians threaten unbelievers with eternal pain but they do it in such a kind and loving fashion don't they? Poor frank was the recent victim of just this sort of brutality.

Too be fair, I just skim through the religionists' posts because I can't stand to sift through that much bs. Being fair, you ARE and idiot as evidenced by almost everything you post, but most especially this last gem. So, you accuse me of something I didn't do, insult me at the level of a child for doing what I didn't do because you couldn't be bothered to actually read what I wrote, and then blame ME for your incompetence, ignorance, and childish behavior Am I getting that right?

If I were the atheists I'd be asking you to stay the hell off my side What happens to the dark energy and dark matter memory the computer is made from after the computer dies? Does the memory go to computer memory Heaven? Translation: Your life is hell for not believing and when you die well MM, you realize lying is a sin right? Translation: You're life is hell for not believing and when you die well And now you're adding putting words in people's mouths to your idiot bag Keep 'em coming, or alternatively declare victory again, pick up your toys and go away until someone mentions hell again and scares the crap out of you If I were scared of hell I'd be a christian ;-.

The answer to the question is yes! They say lost computer memory goes to 'Never, Neverland,' but it actually goes to spacetime for safe keeping for anyone in the future to read and see! Everybody [sane] knows the only immortal thing in this universe is Information. If I were scared of hell I'd be a christian ;- No actually Christian's aren't scared of hell, there's another idiot point for you.

Christian's know they're saved. You really don't know much do you? Even though you like to pretend you do Besides I can tell you're scared of hell, just like anyone else here can. It's blatantly obvious it pushes your button like nothing else. Might wanna look to that I'd like to point out something. The reason that many scientific intellectuals are so anti-christianity is because there are some who continue to treat science the same way that the catholic church treated galileo. On the other side, the reason so many scientific intellectuals believe in god, is because the more they know, the more firm their belief in some creator, do to the simplicity and elegance the universe is built upon.

As well as the belief in free will, which necesitates a soul beyond scientific explanation However, they certainly don't take religion the same way your traditional evangelical or catholic would. If there is a god, then he created the universe according to the physical and natural laws, and I don't think he would see a need to break his own laws. If there is no god, then our universe is a rather random conglomerate from which order arises.

You claim that there are "tons of historical fabrications" in the Bible. I can tell you that you are wrong. Yah I know you can because you have little regard for unpleasant truths. He graduated from Herzogliches Gymnasium at Bernburg in Afterwards he went on to the University of Leipzig where he studied theology, philology, and law, receiving his Ph.

From to he became an instructor in Old Testament theology at the University of Erlangen. And does not take into account the big mountain of irrefutable evidence compiled in the 20th century. NONE of this happened, none existed. All lies and fairy tales. The reason that many scientific intellectuals are so anti-christianity is because there are some who continue to treat science the same way that the catholic church treated galileo No, the reasons are a little more definitive than that.

Note the religionist above who will continue to lie through his teeth to defend his personal pacifier dummy for you brits. The middle east is set to explode from the results of religionist reproductive aggression. Religionists are desperately trying to take away your grant money and teach your children all about the glory of gods creation.

We might possibly be about to suffer yet one more religionist-inspired world war. Perhaps you havent heard what bill maher has to say? TVUulGwc "Religion must die for mankind to live. Your "mountain of evidence" sounds quite humorous. Your ardor for biblical deception is humorous as well. You know it is hard to find flood myth references untainted by religionists on the internet? Most want to claim that hebrews started it, but this is obviously not true. There were no hebrews when the story they copied was originally written: "The similarities between the Babylonian story and the Hebrew scriptural story of Noah's flood are obvious.

The Hebrew account is almost certainly an adaptation of the Babylonian account for we see that the Hebrew story is not only younger than the Babylonian story but has a Mesopotamian setting. How can one have faith in a god who wrote a book which fails to describe the world he allegedly created? One or the other is deception. Men write books not gods. So a person who demands hard proofs is doomed to failure. Ah youre just obfuscating. Irrefutable evidence is when archeologists thoroughly explore a site where a great construction project is supposed to have stood and find nothing of the sort down to bedrock.

Or when the site of a great city shows only little hilltop villages. Or where 2M people were supposed to have lived, only little settlements and no infrastructure near the scale needed to support them. Or egyptian military outposts spotted throughout land they obviously controlled, at a time when 2M slaves were roaming through it for 30 years. NO mention of david, solomon, moses, joshua, jesus etc etc in the physical evidence; only much to refute it. If your god made it happen and then made it evaporate, then he is none other than the Great Deceiver.

How would you or any xian ever know the difference? I agree with everything except, 'no mention of David'. There is a group of egyptian stellae that mention 'The House of David', but it was in conquest, and speaking of a lesser tribe of Judah. There are no fabrications in the Bible, and the so called contradictions have been dealt with by Bible scholars. It is up to you to prove otherwise. He who avers must prove. I can prove a contradiction for you, one that cannot be "dealt with". It's one of many contradictions found in that Book, actually So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.

There are many opinions about the Bible. Religionists have been combing these sites in desperation, and are seen walking away weeping and rending their clothes. Too bad. God created the universe as very good, but man through sin separated himself from God. That is the main message of Blahblah. Who retreats into scripture when faced with the Truth? You do. Scripture is there for the purpose. Truth hurts. Reality is uncomfortable. This does not mean it is not True, and that we should not hang on to it for dear life.

If you were Stephen Hawking who can no longer hangout with the boys like he use to, wouldn't you hate God? Why all the fuss; it was just an opinion of an attention seeking bitter and twisted man? He may be smarter than the average person, but ultimately just as hopelessly ill-equipped to grasp the totality of our existence.

For those offended believers in God; the fact that something like this upsets you indicates that your faith is not as strong as you claim it to be. For those who think that any finite amount of scientific information about the world can be extrapolated to form definite conclusion about entirety of existence; this makes you believers into a fairy-tale of another kind reaching the state where everything is known would surely be your kind of heaven. And TabulaMentis, I see no reason too conclude Stephen Hawking hates something for which he finds no evidence of existence. You are welcome to believe in a god, just leave the rest of us out of it, thank you.

SH The wiki article on the tel dan stelae indicate that the issue of exactly what the inscription refers to, is far from concluded. Philip R Davies, a minimalist, offers convincing arguments. Lester grabbe supposedly speaks for a consensus: "Lester Grabbe identifies the general scholarly consensus as regarding the Stele to be genuine, and as referring to the House of David. Research: early Judaism; Northwest Semitic philology -I think T Thompson makes a point that the 'House of david' myth could already been in use by Levantine tribal leaders.

May 19, TabulaMentis, I see no reason too conclude Stephen Hawking hates something for which he finds no evidence of existence. Why would I do that and leave all the fun for you to enjoy. While you are letting your fingers run way typing nothing, then explain where the Big Bang originated? I don't know is and always has been an answer for any question, that is perfectly acceptable. Not knowing doesn't imply a God. To example this: if I ask 'How did your god create you? It simply means the answer is 'I don't know'. There are a great many more unknowns on your side of the fence than mine.

For you to assert answers that cannot be proved makes you seem nuttier than squirell feces. I suggest that the agnostics and atheists start thinking about where the Big Bang originated and then start thinking about a possible God! Stephen Hawking for years has been trying to figure out where the Big Bang originated. This article proves Stephen Hawking is not as smart as he and others think! Unless someone has seen Jesus, he has not really seen Gods face but just a shadow or a temporary role.

The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. But we see in Exodus NIV And anyone who says, "You fool! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath. Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? So God contradicts Himself, and Jesus is in danger of hellfire, by His own words. Check it out but remember to bring an open mind; you'll need it.

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May 20, May 21, - day of rapture, day of reckoning, day of judgement. Nah god loves truthsayers and truth seekers. Hell will be full of religionists arguing about just whose fault it was they all ended up there. Considering the May 21st hype: the Bible explicitly warns that no one will know the hour or day But far earlier than this he told his chosen people: "Amos Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

And he does seem to spell out this May 21 thing in revelations although I can understand how most would not believe this. But it could be true and the reason why you haven't gotten the word is Perhaps your beliefs are, like the s of others on the planet except at most only one , false?

Tabula: I suggest that the agnostics You are an idiot. I can only hope. Gawad: I suggest you buy eye glasses! Below is what I said: I suggest that the agnostics and atheists start thinking about where the Big Bang originated and then start thinking about a possible God!


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I plan on being around on May 22, and December 22, But I may not be around in if you stupid agnostics and atheists do not get your act together! I already have contacts, thanks. I suggest you buy a dictionary and look up "agnostic". Maybe that at least will give you a clue. That would really be hell, wouldn't it?

Frank, from your comments and your rating of my comment, I believe you should look at the context first before you rate, because that wasn't a slight against the nonreligious. Is anyone really expecting to convince anyone away from their beginning position. It's humorous, and that's why I'm treating both sides flippantly. There's a certain amount of 'faith' in any spiritual view, whether religious or non, because it's regarding something that at the core is as of yet an unscientific but true concept.

The idea that we have free will beyond the chemical reactions that make us: Ergo, a soul. I know that there are provoceteurs in this argument as in "he started it" but I'm older than 6. Atheists and christians together now, give me a one, I know you will. Once you figure out where the Big Bang originated, then you will have several choices in how it was started. There is where the math makes the difference.

Stephen Hawking has not figured that out as of yet. Johannes, you haven't answered TheGhostofOtto's post about Moses having seen God even if only from the back. But soon can be days, months or years, for the Lord is patient. So why claim differently? May 21, Genesis NKJV 26 Then God said, Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.

If man was created in gods image. Why would god have a navel, teeth for chewing food, feet for walking, ears for hearing and lungs for breathing? Unless the place god was at when he was designing the cosmos, earth and humans etc. Hey Bible crazies, there are really four Gods: Electromagnetism, the weak force, the strong interaction and gravitation. I'm atheist that won't beat around the bush. I think that you are repulsive, ignorant trash of humanity. You seek every opportunity to demonize atheism.

Blame the Devil for all your evil deeds taking no responsibility for them at all and then have the audacity to call us arrogant. Not all religious people have such inclination. When you generalize as such, you're no better than those you revile. True generalizations can lead to many wrong conclusions but Christians hold to much power within the government.

Thats where generalizations become necessary in order to under mine their authority. I'm not sure if there is some supreme being that created everything, I definitely don't rule anything out until hard proof is given. I would say the facts definitely lean more towards there not being one, but, like I said, an open mind is best and one shouldn't rule out any possibility.

All that said, I do think it is absolutely hilarious that people think an all loving Christian God will send people to a torturous hell for all eternity just for simply not believing in him. I would like to think that, if an afterlife and supreme being does exist, it would be a place for everyone that was mostly good maybe even bad, because, does stealing from people really warrant an ETERNITY of torture?

Oh my God, we are still here. Either that guy was wrong or we are all a bunch of demons! Implying that atheist don't have morels is one of the most commonly used attacks against atheist. This implies that atheist are unfit for public office. For the most part everyone has morel absolutes if someone kills someone in cold blood thats wrong I dont need a book to tell me that.

It is said that atheist are angry people. I think you would be a little ticked off if you where in are position. The row one hoes will carve their beliefs. There are many things that you could say which would have similar meaning the way that I make toast is religious. Also Johannes The archaic Definition of Atheism is wickedness ungodliness. Here, "Seen" comes from the greek "Horao," which was used in teh verse from John, has as one of it's meanings "discern," rather than "Optomai," which is "to gaze".

In English, the word "see" or "Seen" can mean both to look at stomething and to "understand" something. See verb to understand intellectually or spiritually; have insight: Philosophy teaches us to see. Guess you didn't know teh definition of "See". Ezekiel NIV Exodus NIV Here is the second half of the sentnce, in verse 6, read it in context. Exodus 20,6, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments God has never hurt even one righteous person He is omnipresent anyway. Matthew , "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

The context indicates its a warning to a single generation at the end of time; that all of this will happen within a time span with an unknown starting point, but lasting one human life time. See below. I need more space. You're ridiculous and not even trying, except trying to deceive yourself maybe. So how could Elijah go to heaven if Jesus said nobody had gone to heaven. It was explained partyly, but "Heaven" has multiple applications, and there are at least 3 different "heavens," all spoken of by the same word. Paul, 2 Corinthians 12,2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; such an one caught up to the third heaven.

The first heaven is the atmosphere. The second heaven is the celestials, the visible universe. The third heaven is where the angels are, and God manifests himsef to them. Because God is eternal, what they see is a manifestation of himself, and nont the totallity of his eternal being.

There is no contradiction between any of the three verses for several reasons: 1 Elijah and Jesus went to two different heavens. It was true at the time he said it, because it was referring to the time period which was prior to his own resurrection. Anyway, nice refuting your pathetic non-contradicting "Bible contradictions". Most of this realy isn't even hard passages to understand.

I can only conclude that you really don't want to understand, as I can see no other reason to keep intentionally taking passages out of context, or else ignoring adjacent text which explains things more clearly. I mean, do you quote mine everything and then complain about "contradictions" that arise because you take everything out of context? What sort of reading comprehension scores did you get in high school and college?

You're either an idiot, or else you're being intentionally misleading. Since even an idiot would understand these passages, I must conclude you are the latter, rather than the former. Oh yeah, gave it a 5. Not because I care about the article, but the exposing of your willful deceitfulness deserves to be boosted to the top. May 22, Seeing a vision of God in a dream and seeing eternal God himself are two different things. I agree. AND he then washed Jehovah's feet and fed him. Guess you haven't read Genesis. God has never hurt even one righteous person Even the cows.

Funny how Christians forget this stuff they don't want to think about. You sure do have reading problems. Anyone that claims the Bible has no contradictions is either illiterate or incapable using logic. You can type so it is reasonable to assume that you read. That leaves you as completely inept when it comes to logic. If there is a God, who brought the creation into being, he must have all knowlege and intellegence beyond our comprehension, a being like this would surely not wish the living beings he created to wear daft hats and silly clothes, and eat odd foods at certain times in the name of religeon?

Or is he Q uite C oincidental? All beliefs are similar to religions However no one should be certain of anything enough to think they are absolutely right about anything Everything believed is just a personal best guess based on everything they know. The real problems arise when individuals start believing someone else's bullshit without making up their own minds, with their own thoughts based on their own understandings that they worked reasonably well and hard enought to conclude for themselves.

Arguing with an Atheist about the contents of the bible is laughable. Most Atheist believe that the bible is completely unsubstantiated. So arguing the supposed quotes of Jesus and his followers seems to only create friction. There are so many other reasons to give up Christianity sexual repression, living a life of fear to name a few. Accepting that the bible was not the beginning of reason is a good start though. One ape endlessly pounds another with a Bible The second ape returns the favor with "On the Origin of Species" A third ape sits to the side and laughs at the spectacle Which ape is the most sensible?

It depend on whether or not the third ape gets killed by the others ideology. I do not understand your name calling. I dont know you and you dont know me, so staying polite is the more rational thing to do. People tend to hold Religionists to a higher standard because they claim to ascribe to a god which created morality. Religionists act accordingly, typically arguing from a moralistic standpoint. So when a religionist is caught being dishonest, as you have in many threads even though you have been participating for only a short time, people may respond more strongly than to an average troll.

You say you aren't here to change minds yet you preach constantly. You cite sources which you are obviously unfamiliar with because they are shown to directly contradict the point you are attempting to make. And when this is proven to you you simply declare that it is not so, ignore it, or quote some ambiguous bible passage.

You repeatedly do these things and expect to be treated politely? Even apeman uba admits his mistakes on occasion. Here, "Seen" comes from the greek "Horao," which was used in teh verse from John, has as one of it's meanings "discern," rather than "Optomai," Huh. So you're saying that in order to properly understand this book that god wrote I need to know Greek?

I would think god would have spelled out the difference between see and discern, because he would be of infinite articulateness, and easily transposable. In Greek?